Malay Muslims and the ‘perfect religion syndrome’

by Guest Writer on 26/08/2011

in Breaking View

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by Mohamad Tajuddin Mohamad Rasi

Most Muslims in Malaysia think that only their religion is perfect, thus closing any room for growth.

The main purpose of this essay is to explain what I term as the ‘arrogance’ of many Malay-Muslims in reacting to certain religious issues that have plagued the existence of Malaysia since her independence half a century ago.

Muslim Malays are suffering from what I term as the “perfect religion syndrome”. This means that Muslims, especially Malays, feel that their religion is the best and that other people of many faiths are “wrong”, always out to convert the Muslims and trying to politically and militarily dominate Muslims, wherever they are.

In other words, non-Muslims are kafir (infidel) and therefore the sworn enemies of Islam. Malays also feel that it is their jihad, or solemn responsibility, to protect Islam at all costs.

Everyone who is not Muslim is suspect and especially so if they are non-Malays. I think this sums up pretty much how Malays generally feel in this country.

The Malays have been brought up by the national school curriculum, the ceramah or lectures of the ustaz or religious teachers, religious television shows and of course the religious scholar-politicians of PAS and Umno.

The Malays do not “read” about Islam, for reading seems to be synonymous with people who are “astray”.

Islam as part of history of civilisation

Of all the major religions of the world, Islam is the youngest.

Muslims celebrate this fact by stating it is therefore the most up-to-date religion and that others are just “old hat”. For those unschooled in the religion’s history, Islam is, according to Muslim historians, part of the Semitic religion, with its parent religions in Judaism and Christianity.

Islam is tied to Judaism and Christianity by the line of the Prophet Ismail or Ishmael, the son of the famed Prophet Abraham or Ibrahim. So Islam is tied to the two great religions since Isa or Jesus also came from the long line of the prophets from the lineage of Ishak down to his mother Mary or Maryam or Miriam.

Both the Quran and the Bible narrate the story of Mary and her miraculous birth, again both attesting to this undisputed fact. The Jews of course deny the divinity of Jesus by modern Christians and the Prophethood of Isa by Muslims.

As one can see, the stories of the Quran, the Bible and the Torah are like three rival siblings, telling three slightly different versions of stories concerning one simple issue or incident. The three siblings choose to quarrel about slight differences whilst forgetting they all came from the same father, Abraham.

What then of Islam’s relationship to other religions? What is Islam’s position vis-a-vis say, Buddhism?

Messengers from God

Muslims unanimously agree that there have been two different kinds of messengers from God. One is the rasul, who number around 300, and the other is the nabi, who number in the hundreds of thousands.

The main difference between a nabi and a rasul is that the rasul is supposed to spread the revelations from God to all human societies and engage directly in the socio-political scene of each age.

The nabi, on the other hand, is given revelation but not required to engage in the spreading of the message. They are there probably to give aid to the rasul or to act as intermediate carriers of the message between the periods of prophethood or rasullullah.

The eminent scholar Prof Dr Hamka of Indonesia, in his Tafsir al Azhar, made a commentary that perhaps Buddha was one of the nabi, as he spent his whole life seeking enlightenment but never involved himself directly in politics and nation-building.

The Prophet Muhammad, Isa and Moses confronted the establishment and engaged in political discourses and Muhammad even went on many military campaigns against tribes as well as the empires of Rome and Byzantine.

What is important to discern here is not the different versions of history but the fact that Muslims must understand that Islam sits on the timeline of a historical, theological, social and philosophical discourse and not separated in limbo.

The mufassirun of old or those who provide commentaries on the Quran found that they had to refer to the old Judaic texts to place many of the historical verses of the Quran within a proper historical context.

So, Muslims cannot be “perfect” or perfectly suspended without any historical, philosophical and spiritual context in the knowledge of human civilisation.

The sufi ‘imperfection’ attitude

Muslims think that they are “perfect” because they think the Quran says so. We all know that if someone were to say that he or she is “perfect”, then we know that that person should not be made a friend.

This is because “perfect” people have no way to develop. Why? Because they are perfect. How do you live with a friend, a spouse, a parent a co-worker or anyone who says everyone else is wrong except he or she who is “perfect”?

To err is human, to forgive, divine. If you are human, then you can never say that you are perfect. Even in religion, the sufis teach that one must always think that one’s sin is a lot even if it seems few and that one’s good deeds are few, even if it seems a lot.

If one feels that one’s deeds are “enough” or adequate, then one is in a state of spiritual crisis. Even the Prophet Muhammad was not “perfect”.

He made the mistake of turning away from the blind man who came to ask to be taught while the prophet was engaging with the leaders of Mecca. Allah “reprimanded” the prophet in the Surah Abasa. The prophet was asked about his military decision in the Badr battle and when it was shown that it was not a sound strategy, he opted to accept another person’s suggestion.

In Sufi teaching, you must remain in the state of “imperfection” of hoping for Allah’s mercy till your dying day and then you will achieve peace with ridha, or pure acceptance.

I have read about Mahatma Gandhi, Nelson Mandela Mother Theresa, St Thomas of Aquinas, Dalai Lama, accounts of the Buddha, Christian literature, Hindu philosophies and I have come out a better Muslim because all of these readings affirm in different forms or narration what I have to struggle to understand from the writings of religious scholars like Al-Ghazali, Ibu Arabi, Al-Shafie and many others.

The art of changing the soul into one of a higher humanity is difficult if only one source is considered. As an academic searching for knowledge, you must access all sources available and a clearer scenario would open up with these numerous sources and the path to true knowledge begins.

Candidates for heaven or hell

Muslims think that they are all destined to heaven by a mere professing of the Kalimah Shahadah. Some have even told me even if they were punished for a period in hell, everyone eventually ends up in heaven!

It’s really funny to hear what Muslims think in this way because the Quran contains verses where Allah reprimanded the Jews for saying the very same thing! The Jews were arrogant, according to the Quran, for thinking since they are the “chosen people” and loved by God, and that they will not suffer any punishment in hell.

Allah challenged them through the prophet’s statement by asking the Jews to pray to Allah to make them die at that very moment so that they can fly to heaven!

Obviously, none of the Jews dared to do so. The business of going to hell or heaven resides with Allah alone. Mortals, whether Muslims or from other religions, should feel funny in debating such issues.

Once, Christianity was said to be selling places in heaven by forgiving sins in exchange for cash. Certainly, Christianity is not at fault here but the greed of men, even if they call themselves cardinals, bishops or ulama.

The Prophet Muhammad once said to his daughter, Fatimah, that even he does not know her fate in the akhirat or hereafter.

Once, when the prophet heard a few of his companions remarking about so and so who would go to heaven, and that so and so would go to hell, he said that a person may be doing acts that seem to be destined for him to go to heaven but there is a hand’s span between him and heaven, he does a deed that puts him into hell. Similarly a person may be engaged in deeds that may destine him to hell but there is a hand’s span between him and hell, he does a deed that places him into heaven.

Bottom line? No one should dwell on this matter.

Going astray

The Quran lists people who are greedy and deep in self-interest at the cost of others and even at the cost of selling the religion. From my readings, these people who are astray come from all religions whether Muslims, Christians, Jews and many others. Look at Indians. Once they were not Muslims, as were the Malays.

Now Indian Muslims number much, much more than Malay Muslims and the best scholars seem to be from that race. I am indebted to the writings of Abul A’la Maududi, who opened my eyes to Islam. He was an Indian. Once I asked my brother-in-law if he would trust a Jew should he or she embrace Islam.

He said the Quran has laknat or cursed all Jews and Christians and thus we must never make friends or believe in these sworn enemies of Islam.

What about Muhammad Assad? He is a Jew who converted and wrote the influential book, The Road to Mecca, and also wrote the commentary of the Quran, The Message, which I found an invaluable academic source of reference.

Should we condemn Muhammad Assad just because he is a Jew? Then again, why did Allah permit Muslim men to marry believing Christians and Jews? How can we marry them if the Quran has cursed all Jews and Christians?

No, that verse referring to cursing the Jews and Christians refers to people who have their vested interest and greed in mind and so made things difficult for the prophets of old.

Thus, we Muslims should refrain from making judgements whether the Christian King Najashi, who helped the first migration of Muslims to Abyssinia, or Mahatma Gandhi  or Mother Theresa, as those who incurred the wrath of Allah for not becoming Muslims.

There was a film, The Blind Side, about a white Christian family who cared for a homeless African boy and made him a family member until he grew to become a successful football player.

Will such kindness be repaid with the fires of hell just because they were Christians and had not converted to Islam? I believe in Allah’s Mercy and Divine Providence.

  • Haha

    Plain bias..
    enough said

    • arnem

      Hell with u..

  • Haha

    Oppss.. I retracted my comments earlier..

  • Mad Scientist

    under intense hatred, some ran away from “malay Islam” to other relligion secretly. still, malays could not see, and blame other religion.

    i think we just do the best we can. we can just shine the light. we cannot force the horse to drink. and we ourselves careful not to get religiously drunk.

    be the beacon.

  • http://www.facebook.com/pepperlim Pepper Lim

    Well written article.

  • i’m a muslim

    When a modern Islamist wrote…lack of knowledge,lack of sirah,lack of guidance and hidayah.If only Muslims know what will be happened after the day of his death…May Allah forgive u,dear author…

    • Guest01

      Good article. I love this story about the kindness of the Messenger Muhammad (peace be upon him) with non-muslims. http://en.islamstory.com/kindness-muhammad-non-muslims.html

    • Anonymous

      “if only Muslims know what will be happened after the day of his death”

      –> if only Muslims knew what happens after death

      is a much better way to say it – what will happened cannot be used because it has not “happened” yet.

      alternatively, you could say

      –> if only Muslims knew what will be happening after his death

      Thank you for attending UM’s English for Foreign Students class. We strive to bring you understanding.

      • Anonymous

        Ketam mengajar… haha

        Maybe you could explain the difference between ‘heresay’ and ‘heresy’. And while you’re at that, the difference between ‘pinciples’ and ‘principles’ too…

        The important thing about communication is, the message got through! While Rome burns, you fiddle with your fingers… :)

        • Anonymous

          “The important thing about communication is, the message got through! ”

          yes, i am familair with this phrase. used by Malays who are a little bit trained in English, who can actually communicate well, even know fantastic proverbs involving Rome and god-knows what else.

          however, there are depeer levels of English, as in any language too, so understanding scientific concepts for example, or legal terminologies and cases, require a much higher level of English. This includes religion, as concepts in religion are acually very advanced. Islam muslims scientists i believe will testify to this.

          Heresay comes form the two words hear and say. Heresy, well you can look it up on Wiki, it says…

          “Heresy (from Greek αίρεση, which originally meant “choice”) is a controversial or novel change to a system of beliefs, especially a religion, that conflicts with established dogma.”

          So your opinions are hear-say, not necessarily heresy or heretical. In fact, heretical opinions can be fruitful, as in the opinion of one famous ex-mufti we all know.

          Wiki also says ….
          “Heretics usually do not perceive their own beliefs as heretical.”

          and so it is likely you will say i am heretical, but i of course stand by my logical reasonings, which up till now you do not seem to be able to dispute, but persists on insulting me maybe because you cannot counter my arguments in a sound manner.

          so again, suka hati kamu lah, i don’t gain anything by winning, so i will let u win, and allow you to insult me as much as you pease. so please, do continue.

          • Anonymous

            Don’t be a crybaby!

            Playing a victim won’t hide your arrogance in your previous posts!

            And I don’t believe you really took the bait… hook, line and sinker! How naive!!

            Oh, you meant to say “hearsay” when you wrote “heresay”, but your sentence meant “heresy”… lulz

          • Anonymous

            i will be what i choose to be. if i am a cry baby as you professionally claim, so be it. i am happy with it, no problem for me.

            the problem is you are not happy :) you want to win an argument you simply cannot win. the author is right. and you ate plenty of chilis.

          • Anonymous

            Chillies are my favorite snack… ;)

            And I guess you cannot ‘tahan’ the fiery chillies come out of me, thus the ‘teary’ speeches… lulz.

    • rizzo

      Why are you guys arguing about this mistake grammatical mistake by this one ‘i’m a muslim’? Haha way off topic

  • Mad Scientist

    this what i am going to say wil come as a surprise to all muslims. the Quran is not written for you, exclusively. it was written for mankind.

    only blind muslims think the Quran is meant only for them. and the blindness will lead them astray.

    • The Key of X

      And only blind non-Muslim think that al-Quran is only for Muslim. Cakap tu biar adil la bodoh!!!

      • Hadri Rahman

        hah? Dia kata Quran is written for mankind la bebal. Engkau reti baca English tak?

        • Anonymous

          The same person wrote : “and so the Quran is only for muslims.”

          Sekarang siapa yg bebal, BEBAL?

          • Anonymous

            you did not follow the sarcistic logic of my comments.

            i end that comment with
            “and so the Quran is specially for you/mulims. to judge others.”

            implying that this sort of use of the Quran is abusive and certainly not what the Quran was meant for.

            you cannot take just one line of what i say and conclude anything. you need to take the entire context of what i say and how i say it. and you need to have a reasonable command of the English langauge.

            i do not like the word “bebal” as it is negative and sinful, only to be used when victimised. i will refrain from using any word, i will merely explain myself.

            but if you do not understand English correctly, you will jump to the wrong conclusion, like a frog jumping into a frying pan.

          • Anonymous

            So you’re the same person with those two, eh?
            Hmmm… now what’s that tell ya?

          • Anonymous

            it tells us you are after the person, not the argument. you evade argument and targets the person.

            i am mad scientist, but twitter problems ( busy traffic ) forced me to register as BubbaKiki. it does not really matter, does it ? i can call myself Mat0K if i want,  but that would just confuse you even more.

            and since you cannot understand english in its proper usage and context, this wil llead to many many more arguments from you, all because you do not understand it as it should be.

            and because of that, and because i know the purpose of your life is to win arguments rather than learn anything at all that may be useful, i let u win hands down.

            ambik kamu semua. :)

  • Mad Scientist

    Salam,

    Happy Mad Hari Raya & Festivities to all UM mortal Beings who frequent the Dark to bring us Light.

    I am with you in your Prayers for more website traffic and Peace for Mankind.

    Peace :)

  • Catleya_camellia

    It is reported on the authority of Abu Huraira that a bedouin came to the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) and said: Messenger of Allah, direct me to a deed by which I may be entitled to enter Paradise. Upon this he (the Holy Prophet) remarked: You worship Allah and never associate anything with Him, establish the obligatory prayer, and pay the Zakat which is incumbent upon you, and observe the fast of Ramadan. He (the bedouin) said: By Him in Whose hand is my life, I will never add anything to it, nor will I diminish anything from it. When he (the bedouin) turned his back, the Prophet (may peace be upon him) said: He who is pleased to see a man from the dwellers of Paradise should catch a glimpse of him.  
    Kitab Al-Iman
    Sahih Muslim

    Wallahualam

    • Mad Scientist

      i DON’T think those who want to learn Islam would be interested in such stories, even if authentic and nice.

      one does not learn Islam by way of such bedouin encounter. and the story only serve as brain washing machine, not true enlightenment.

      i wish muslims can speak in a better way, to mankind, rather than to repeat doctrines and hadiths.

      enlighten mankind, not indoctrinate us. i think we have had enough of these indoctrination. enlighten us, so as to save mankind from self destruction.

      i don’t really care about some bedouin in the middle of some remote desert. i care more where Islam and mankind is headed. If mankind forgets God, nature will punish us and we all suffer.

      Speak ye ! In the name of God.

  • lona

    bravo! great article!

  • Abu

    The thing here is.. How can Allah give u forgiveness, mercy u if u dont believe Him (beriman kepada Allah)at first place?
    -statement for non-muslims only-

    • Mad Scientist

      i think you have to qualify or define properly non-muslims.

      i believe this magic stone i have can forgive me for my sins, and help my ailing father, would i then be a non muslim ?

      • Catleya_camellia

        If you believe in a power other than Allah and associate anything with Allah, then it’s called syirik and it will definitely made you Kufr. 

        Wallahualam

        • Mad Scientist

          how do you know it is syirik ? is it for you to judge ? who appointed you ?

          and how sure are you it makes me kufr ? do you know better than my magic stone ?

          my magic stone is my religion. what business is it you have with my religion ? what harm can my stone do me ? on contrary, it has served me well and never bothered me. do you have a problem with that ?

          • Catleya_camellia

            I’m referring to those who are Muslims, this is not applicable to those who are in other religion. 

            “If you are a Muslim, and you believe in other power and associate Allah with other things, then it is call a syirik and you will be kufur.” 

            If you’re not, then let it be. Believe whatever you want. 

            BTW- good luck in living your life. :)

          • http://twitter.com/Unit_Space Nuclear Disarmament

            “I’m referring to those who are Muslims, this is not applicable to those who are in other religion.  ”

            ah, so the Quranic principles apply only to muslims, not to other religion or non muslims.

            and so the Quran is only for muslims.

            and not for mankind.

            and so the Quran is specially for you/mulims. to judge others.

            is my logic correct so far ?

             

          • Anonymous

            You missed the mark… time and time again! :p

            BTW, do you read Quran, o mad and bad scientist?

          • Anonymous

            is the logic right ? yes or no ?

            if you do not want to answer, just say so. no problem.

            it seems to me you come just to irritate and no engage in real discussion of logic.

            and if this persists, i will not waste my time anymore. take the entire comment area if you wish.

          • Anonymous

            “Missed the mark”. Comprende?

          • Anonymous

            miss the mark parrot. lol

          • The Key of X

            We know it is syirik because dumb people like you doesnt know it is syirik and let us tell you that it is syirik… Of course we know you are kufr because a kufr like you does not know that he is kufr and let me point it right to your face… YOU ARE DAMN KUFR!! Who appointed us? Oh you your ownself did! It started when you asked a dumb question…..

      • The Key of X

        no you will not become a muslim, but you will definitely become a Mad Scientist … LOL!!!

        • Anonymous

          ah, so you are the one !

          i was looking high and low for someone to judge if i am a muslim or not, or how good a muslim i have been. i finally found you !

          Thank God ! I’m saved !

    • Catleya_camellia

      Agree to Abu, and to Muslims too, when you believe in Allah- it is related to you aqidah. Believing in Allah alone is not enough. You have to say that you believe in in (mengucap 2 kalimah syahadah) and must show it (beribadah)

      Percaya dengan hati, ucap dgn mulut dan melakukan ibadah. 

    • Anonymous

      You have missed the point of the essay then.

  • MatK0

    There’s always two sides of a coin, and this one is trying hard to be in the middle between the two, with slightly different twist. Bad move!

    To think that the writer can’t even grasp the simple meaning of the word ‘islam’… defeats the whole point he’s trying to make, worst if he himself a professed muslim, or is he?

    • Mad Scientist

      what exactly is the meaning of Islam then, by your definition ?
      and since when has God two sides ?

      • MatK0

        Where did I say God has two sides? Putting words into my mouth??? Bad, bad scientist…

        • Mad Scientist

          i’m not bad. only mad.
          but you still fail to provide a simple good answer to what is islam to you. are there two sides to Islam too ?

          • MatK0

            Your comprehension is laughable. :D

            Scientist should be able to make his own research to find the answer, and it seem you are not.

            You’re mad, AND bad then.

            To explain the word, the prerequisite is the believe in God. We should continue our exchange regarding energy/matter and the first law of thermodynamics a while back, to prove that God exist – first before going deep into this. Now… no more running away!

          • http://twitter.com/Unit_Space Nuclear Disarmament

            nor run away lah, but difficult to go back to old articles all the time.

            no one can prove God exists. you can try. but i will not entertain themodynamics or such cryptic cult terminology. just plain english and sense please.

            for start, what comes before the start ?

            p/s i still insist i am not bad.
            for bad to exist, there has to be its counter-part, which is good. but since i am not good, then most surely i cannot be bad.

            thus, i am not bad.

          • Anonymous

            Bukan cari salah orang, kalau benda tak betul.. do you still nod in agreement?

            On the good and the bad… are you saying you’re not qualify to have one trait if you don’t have the other? Tsk tsk tsk!

            Not only your comprehension is laughable, your logic too! So yeah, the mad and the bad come hand-in-hand in you!

            Let me tell you how easy it is to go to the old article: when you’re on the page… press Ctrl-D. Bah!

            You asked “what comes before the start?” If you’re talking about this universe, if everything in it formed after the start, surely before it there was nothing. Science try to extrapolate it, but they’re all speculative physics. In other words, science don’t have a definitive answer, and has to rely on ‘faith’ as well.

          • Anonymous

            “Bukan cari salah orang, kalau benda tak betul.. do you still nod in agreement?”

            ah, now i got your talking. good.

            to you is “benda tak betul”. apa dia benda yang tak betul yang di tulis ? tak sedap di baca, mungkin. tak betul, tunjukan yang betul lah.

            “Not only your comprehension is laughable, your logic too!”

            maybe. let’s test it. answer me. what is your islam, which you consider you know more than the author  ?

            “You
            asked “what comes before the start?” If you’re talking about this
            universe, if everything in it formed after the start, surely before it
            there was nothing. ”

            how do you know there was nothing ?
            can you logically prove it, even though we both could not test it ? we can do a thought experiment.

            “Science try to extrapolate it, but they’re all
            speculative physics. ”
            yes, but new findings are made based on speculations. the speculation itself may be right or wrong, but that does not really matter, the journey takes us ot new discovories and heights.

            “In other words, science don’t have a definitive
            answer, and has to rely on ‘faith’ as well ”

            i agree, but at what level ?

            faith is based on reason, not blind obedience. religious faith or blind faith is sometimes needed as we do not know everything, but surely it cannot be a way of life ?

            if we base everything on blind faith, we end up with an unscentific malaysia.

          • Anonymous

            it seems, as we proceed this nice arguments, our space is being invaded by this site program itself, until we probably have  only one column ! lol. maybe not a suitable platform to conduct discussions on science and theology.

          • Anonymous

            In this world, everything is relative, for one thing to exist, the opposite must exist as well. Nothing escapes this. Remember the analogy of the two sides of a coin… everything and nothing, that’s the logic. Science can’t prove it, so how can anybody proves it. Even the universe steady-state theory is discredited, because it is not logic.

            I agree that faith is not blind obedience, and so should religious faith. However, there are certain things that is beyond human interpretation, which demands an absolute faith. That’s the exclusive exception, which differ the religious and non-religious faith.

          • Anonymous

            for one thing to exist, the
            opposite must exist as well.

            i still cannot find the oppposite of man ?

            “two sides of a coin…”

            useless analogy to me

          • Anonymous

            Man as in ‘gender’, or man as in ‘human species’?

            As gender, when referring to a man(male), you don’t call woman(female) as an opposite sex for nothing, right?

            As human species, you’ll have to go deeper into the creation itself – which I’ll not touch in here. ‘Nuf to say, human are special – between the animal, the djin and the angels – either in their role or their creation.

          • Anonymous

            L
            O
            L
            !

          • http://twitter.com/Unit_Space Nuclear Disarmament

            “Scientist should be able to make his own research to find the answer, and it seem you are not.”

            this is not an answer – it is a statement of someone trying to show he is clever – clever in pointing out the weakness of another human – pandai cari salah orang. that job is very easy.

            try do a better job. explain Islam. but you are afraid to do so, yet you criticise the author of the article.

            thus, you cannot explain what is right, but claim that others are wrong.

            how then is your logic ?

             

    • Anonymous

      “To think that the writer can’t even grasp the simple meaning of the word ‘islam’ ”

      and as if you know the meaning very well ? let us see if you do indeed have the brains to show.

      i challenge you, show us the meaning. and i am most confident you surely cannot, but you use language to insult the author.

      i think you are not that smart as you pretend to be. thermodynamics indeed ! lol.

      • Anonymous

        If you are the author, I’ll happily obliged.

        Since you’re not, I challenge you to use google and show us the meaning here. and I am most confident you surely cannot… lulz

        Nobody ask your opinion, and your remark is not that smart either.

        • Anonymous

          i asked for my own opinion. and you gave your opinion, that the author quote “can’t even grasp the simple meaning of the word ‘islam’.”

          and now you ask me to ggogle for it. you do not want to give it yourself ? what are you afraid of ?

          if you are truthful, then explain “the simple meaning of the word ‘islam’.
          i will not question your explanation, if you wish, and leave you in peace. because i understand it is a sensitive matter for some people.

          but i truly would like to know what your islam is and why you make such claims as above abt the author. at the very least, when you make an assertion, support it with some basis.

          if you cannot, or do not want too, then i have no choice but to assume that what you asserted was merely an emotional outburst, with no value in it at all for me or anyone to learn anything, or in other words, just rubbish.

          you owe it to the author to clarify yourself i think. in fact, you owe it to your self. and by doing so you will earn all our respect. it’s all up to you.

          • Anonymous

            That’s the tone I like, and I’ll reciprocate accordingly.

            Linguistically in Arabic usage, the word ‘islam’ imply an absolute submission, surrender and obedience. In Quranic definition, it conveyed the same and directed to Allah.

            This is the same message that was brought by all the messengers of God, and thus it’s wrong for the author to say that Islam is the youngest religion. So does when the author denoting one religion to the bloodline of the prophets.

            If you truly grasp the simple meaning from this word, you’ll find many ‘wrongs’ in his article. I’m not questioning his assertion of his encounters with many muslims and their ‘misconception’, but his thought about Islam itself transforming (my interpretation) from these encounters. That’s my analogy of ‘the two sides of a coin’.

          • Anonymous

            “and thus it’s wrong for the author to say that Islam is the youngest religion.  ”

            ah, but you see. you confuse between faith and religion.

            religion, yes youngest.
            faith. no the Islamic faith has been around ever since time immemorial.

            all monotheistic religions carry the same faith, faith in one God, but they differ in their rituals, and are therefore different religions.

            perhaps the author is right after all. seems you are the one who miss the mark. no ?

          • Anonymous

            That is where we differ! For one I don’t called monotheism as ‘Islam’ faith, when you translate that in Arabic, it’s weird – either in use or in meaning. Arabic has words for it, and it’s called ‘tawheed’. Islam is basically the sets of acts that translated from that belief.

            People of the old, their life was not as complicated as ours now. So it is pointless for them to have such a complicated hierarchy of procedures and commands to live their life. A simple message within a closely knit family and tribe is only what it takes.

            As population exploded, cities founded, boundary and country expanded, life is getting more complicated and the final revelation was necessary to address it. The basic of religion from time immemorial is still the same, acts that are translated from the belief (Tawheed). These sets of acts are officially called Islam with the final revelation, carrying the true meaning behind it.

          • Anonymous

            Nien. I disagree completely. I know, what you said is conventional worldwide thinking.  That does not mean it right.

            The reason for Islam is simple. Followers of Jesus gone astray. They fight each other. A new prophet must therefore unite mankind again, and for the last time, because Jesus gave his life ( was crucified ) in his belief of one God.

            Someone had to continue this, to reunite the world. Prophet Muhammad did so. And lived till he died of natural death. And that was they way we are supposed to live, in peae, we should not be fighting each other in the name of God.

            Most Islam muslims argue that Islam is the final way to follow, as if it is the only right religion.

            I thin that is totally wrong. All religion of God is right, all mankind who believes in God or the HereAfter, is a muslim. The Quran is for mankind, quite obviously Allah would not want only Arabs to prosper inthis world.

            If you tell me Islam is not like that, yours is different, then you go your way, in peace, i go my way in peace.

            I guess my main point is that we should look at all humans through the same Quran, rather than separate people into muslims, non-muslims etc.

            Even then, one must first understand the Quran is an ancient document, so verses that aply to its time must be transposed to modren equivalent. The old Islam is just not enough for today.IF is it is understood in context and purpose.

            The purpose.

            If it brings more harm, more confusion, more anger, than it is useless. Allah does not send us a religion for us to suffer. Thus the Islam that benefits mankind will be the one of choice.

            So we can do as we please, God be the judge.

          • Anonymous

            You sounded as if religion is to control the world! Let me stress the simple message of Islam, that is ‘laa ilaha illa Allah’.

            Islam came to purify the religion of God. If all other religions are right, there is no purpose to its coming!

            If Islam is for mankind, then its message in the Quran too is for mankind.

            However you look at it, there are those who accepted (submitted to) the message (muslim) and those who did not.

            Religion did not bring harm, confusion, anger, etc. It is man who brought it upon himself those affliction.

          • Anonymous

            “It is man who brought it upon himself “,

            and therefore man sent by Allah to correct  the already given religion(of Christ) The religion is actually the same. Religion of God.

          • Anonymous

            If it is to correct it, then it was wrong in the first place!

          • Anonymous

             ”I don’t called monotheism as ‘Islam’ faith, when you translate that in Arabic, it’s weird”

            You mean God speaks Arabic ? That’s up to you. I don’t accept that God. I only Accept Lord of the Universe.

          • Anonymous

            Did I say that??? When we’re talking about Islam, you cannot run away from Arabic language.

            Cross-tanslation will bring out different meaning of otherwise a simple word.

          • Anonymous

            “we cannot run away from Arabic”

            i strongly disagree. Arab is not a prerequisite for Islam, although it is the language that re-discovered

  • Anonymous

    it is obvious some people are afraid to argue, and would rather insult. if that makes you happy, please do insult me all you like. i will stand in for the author.

  • The Key of X

    > Most Muslims in Malaysia think that only their religion is perfect, thus closing any room for growth.

    OF course they think that their religion is perfect. Not only Malay Muslim think his religion is perfect but of course other non-Muslim also think their own particular religion is perfect.

    >The main purpose of this essay is to explain what I term as the ‘arrogance’ of many Malay-Muslims ..

    But this article doesnt show how arrogant is Malay-Muslims but the stupidity and the arrogance of it’s writer.

    > Muslim Malays are suffering from what I term as the “perfect religion syndrome”. Halo bang.. Not only Malay think their religion is perfect of course but other race who memeluki barang apa jua agama will think his religion is perfect.

    If he think that his religion is not perfect then he is terkeluar from that religion. Macam kau tu lah agaknya… Melayu Murtad! Cakap ikut perasaan bodoh bendul….

    Eh memang lah non-Muslim is Kafir because those kafir in arabic means “reject” if you do not reject Islam you will definitely say the shahada and follow the rukun Islam.

    > Malays also feel that it is their jihad, or solemn responsibility, to protect Islam at all costs. Eh mestilah every Muslims feel that protecting Islam is Jihad. Who else want to protect if not the follower. Takkan kau harap non-Muslim pulak nak protect. You are really a wooden horse and betul-betul kuda kayu!

    > Everyone who is not Muslim is suspect and especially so if they are non-Malays. I think this sums up pretty much how Malays generally feel in this country.
    This is your accusation only la baghal. Only you who is in your kelompok think that way. Bodoh tak campur orang! Asek campur kelompok hedonis kau tu aje where can you learn lah bodoh!

    To you other non-Muslim reader, this kind of Muslim think he is so clever and try to undermined other Muslims. The terminology for this kind of writer is Munafiq a.k.a. Hypocrites. If he is admit he is a Muslim then you better watchout because if he can talk bad about his fellow Muslim brothers then he could do the same to you. This kind of writer is a very cheap type and who would kneel or kow tow infront of you to show he is so obidient but he actually will talk bad about you when he is behind your back! Don’t trust this kind of person because he is truly dangerous!!

    • Anonymous

      wow.

      • Anonymous

        wow wow wow

        • Anonymous

          it maybe the article shows the arrogance of the author. i am not so sure about that though.

          but i am sure of the arrogance and ignorance of the commentors ! it is plain for all to see.

          oh ye despicable commentors, back to the dungeons ye be, where ye belong and where ye shall reside until kingdom cometh !!!

  • Anonymous

    BubbaKiki wrote: “Arab is not a prerequisite for Islam”

    If Arab language is not prerequisite for Islam, then making your reciting in prayer of compulsory surah (al-fatihah) in other language, will make your prayer null and void. It is a prerequisite in the main act of submission and to really understand Islam, learning the language is the first step to it.

    Of course you can just learn to recite, and probably did not even know the meaning of it, which is probably true with many Malay muslims. Then you know why the writer met up with such encounters, because they failed to really understand their own religion and what was really given to them in the Quran or what they recite daily in their prayer.

    Why is it so difficult for people to learn Arabic, when English can be learned and used as second language beside their mother tongue, is beyond me. Arrogance? Probably!

    • Anonymous

      what is this obsession about arabic i don’t understand. as if a universal human concept must be in arabic. Science ought to be in arabic too then, as Islam gave the world the Science of Verification.

      and i suppose camels and jubah is included. God is surely choosey on dress code and transport. it sounds really stupid.

      • Anonymous

        When did it turn into obsession? You’re saying it is not prerequisite, so I gave reason why it is. Now you’re trying to go to the extreme by giving a ridiculous examples – is this how you put your argument? Not only it sound stupid, it is stupid!

        Here I give you another, to understand the Quran, the main source of Islam beside the hadith, you must know Arabic. You can read the translation, but it will be the interpretation of meaning by the translator, not by your own.

        • Anonymous

          “the main source of Islam beside the hadith, you must know Arabic. You
          can read the translation, but it will be the interpretation of meaning
          by the translator, not the real meaning from the text.”

          that is your opinion. not your own understanding. not your own experience.
          in order words, it is just your heresay.

          i can agree you are entitled to your opinion, i see no problem in that, no problem in you wanting to read and learn the Quran in Arabic.

          the problem is you are telling me my understanding of the Quran in English, or for arguments sake, a russian understaing of the Quran in Russian, is inferior to your understanding simply because you know Arabic.
          Go try and tell the russians that.

          By saying the Arabic understanding is better, you are implying the Quranic pinciple are Arabic principle. This is a lie.

          The Quranic pinciples are for mankind and are universal. The arabic and jewish and christian elements in it are merely there as examples.
           

          • Anonymous

            Quranic principles are Arabic principles? Just wonder where you get the idea… stupidity at it’s best or maybe your comprehension is worst than that of the mad and bad scientist’s?

            Sink in my argument to your thick skull, and sleep on it.

          • Anonymous

            “Quranic principles are Arabic principles? ”

            that is your logic. you said in order to understand the Quran one needs Arabic language. and that is not entirely true as translations are available but yor refuse to accept translations. You think translators are not competent enough.

            well, thank you for the nice insults, i see now what sort of a muslim you truly are. you cannot argue or debate coherently, you just prefer insults.

            maybe i will stop after this. we meet again in other new articles.

          • Anonymous

            Your understanding and deduction is pathetic! Where did I say I refused in totality to accept any translation? And where did I say translator are not competent enough?

            You like to put words into my mouth. Let me give an advice, if you don’t understand, ask and don’t repeat the same mistake. Only fools do that.

            Is it an insult? Not, if it isn’t true, is it? :p

          • Anonymous

            yes, go on. very nice.

  • Anonymous

    @BubbaKiki:disqus This is what you wrote, “All religion of God is right”.

    And also, “and therefore man sent by Allah to correct  the already given religion(of Christ) The religion is actually the same. Religion of God.”

    If ‘man sent by Allah to correct the already given religion’, then it can’t be ‘right’ in the first place, otherwise what’s there to ‘correct’? It seemed that your own statements can’t stand the logic of each other.

    • Anonymous

      yes, my statement is wrong. it should read “to correct the misunderstanding of the christians, which lead them to fight each other” – typed too quickly – will learn to type slow

      • Anonymous

        Whatever *roll eyes*

        It carries the same meaning.

        • Anonymous

          in which langauge does it carry the same meaning ?

          in English, the language of this website and article, it is not the same.

          please see an optician with reagrds to your eyes rolling. it dangerous, it may fall off as you cross the road. it’s called “mata putaq”.

          • Anonymous

            Isn’t the misunderstanding was what made it wrong?

            Don’t you see why I used the word ‘purify’, which better suits the meaning?

            Expand your vocabulary and don’t be a tongue twister when your mistake is revealed… that’s much worst than the ‘mata putaq’, which can see through your lies.

          • Anonymous

            a misunderstanding does not make a thing wrong. it is what it is.

            for example, if you misunderstand Islam, that does not make Islam wrong. it makes you wrong.

            the children of Israel misunderstood the message of Moses, and set up institutions of religion. this led the people of Israel astray. Jesus then appears to unite them under one religion of God ( Islam ). when Jesus was crucified, followers of jesus Christ begin disputing amongst themselves, with regards to the religion of God. They forms sects, and warred each other.

            Muhammad came with the same message, confirming the Torah and the Gospel, and delivered the Quran, a final testament to the religion of God.

            Hence, the religion of God is ever since Moses. In fact, it was founded by Abraham.

            And that my friend is all elementary, except that most muslims refuse to believe what the Quran says.

          • Anonymous

            How do you know it’s misunderstanding and not purposely altered by some for worldly gain? How come it’s so widespread among the ‘followers’ and not scattered with many differing opinions? Misunderstanding with one voice, eh? :)

            It’s your story, not history, an imagination that are detached from real facts!

            You have shown how bad your comprehension, your logic and your deduction is. Don’t tell me, your knowledge too…

            For God sake, don’t expose more… :p

          • Anonymous

            please do go on. yr comments are very good indeed. we would all like to learn more.

  • Anonymous

    I appreciate your essay, very poignant and to me, holds an urgent view that needs to be considered by people of all religions. However, I’d like to point out something that rather disturbs me:
    “Will such kindness be repaid with the fires of hell just because they were Christians and had not converted to Islam? I believe in Allah’s Mercy and Divine Providence.” —> This is similar to one of the comments below by Abu, that despite good deeds, you will still not be granted mercy if you don’t believe in Allah. In other words, it all STILL bows down to the same thing – if you don’t believe in Allah (not just any God but specifically Allah), one can’t possibly be granted mercy. And even if one was granted mercy, your words of ‘just because they were Christians’ implies that any mercy granted would somehow be ‘second-class’ or that non-Muslims would need some sort of additional validation in order to be granted mercy? Is that not still part of a superiority complex? As a Catholic, I think it is better that I draw some examples from the Christian faith. The modern Christian church is not free from the same arrogance, and many also preach similarly ‘definitive’ teachings – it’s either this or that, no grey area, no concession – and in my view, the Churches use it as a method of limiting freewill, by imposing a heavy burden on the conscience of followers, mainly to attract and KEEP their followers, considering the shrinking numbers of their faithful. What also surprises me, is that many Islamic teachers and scholars do exactly what alot of Christians do these days, and that is blatantly distance religion from any historical timeline. There are people who go so far as to claim the Koran is the FIRST Holy Book, then the Bible followed by the Talmud, both of which are somehow ‘corrupted’ with the Koran being the only ‘pure’ book. I believe these may be incorrect teachings of either ignorant or intentionally malicious people, but to keep repeating the weakening defense of ‘not all Muslims are like that, it’s just a bunch of bad apples’ is no longer sufficient. Because it seems that even reasonable, rationale, educated and moderate yet pious Muslims are keeping quiet about this. And I am concerned because Muslims who are respectful of others tend to be the ones people mix and interact with, and therefore are in the ‘forefront’, but that also means they have to take alot of blame as well and when people want to put a face to something they hate, these moderate Muslims tend to end up being targets. What non-Muslims fail to understand is that unlike other religions, Islam is really a way of life, a part of life or life itself for Muslims. Other religions tend to be more of a choice or even a philosophy rather than religion. But this tends to cause quite a bit of involuntary hypocrisy on both sides. I say involuntary because technically, I am an infidel and therefore an enemy, so how could I co-exist with a Muslim and how could a Muslim have me as a friend? If my Muslim friend were to tell me, ‘It’s okay, because the Koran teaches Muslims to be tolerant and compassionate to non-Muslims, and even if they do non-Muslim things’, it’s like someone telling me ‘Even though according to the Koran you are an infidel destined for hell I will still, out of the superiority of being a Muslim condescend to your level and have mercy towards you.’ Of course, most Muslims say this without malice but that is because they are not even conscious of the implications! Bottom-line is, it is simply no longer enough for Muslims to simply accept or tolerate other religions (same could be said for others, for that matter), but to really respect, and if possible, to even find appreciation for other religions. 

    • Anonymous

      Elizabeth,

      there is a key on the keyboard called “enter” or “return”.
      it is used to make paragraphs.

      “infidels” :) need to use this key like everyone else, so we could read your responses without a headache.

      thank you
       

      • Anonymous

        Usually, those who don’t present their points properly don’t want others to know what they’re saying about, which means they don’t have anything good to say.

        That’s the logic! :p

  • Anonymous

    I read this essay and was quite pleased to see such a reasonable view. Alas, many of the comments following it are disappointing. Why don’t some of you just come out and bluntly say, “Only Islam is correct, those of you who disagree are infidels.” because for all your silly arguments (based ENTIRELY ON THE KORAN), that is what you really mean to say.

    • Anonymous

      “Only Islam is correct, those of you who disagree are infidels.”

      ah, thank you.
      it summarises many paragraphs of argument. in fact, there is no need to argue with such absolutist position. i better rest.

  • Anonymous

    The author is going by the timeline of the Holy Books. And Muslims can cry all they want, but the fact is the Koran is indeed the youngest book, although all three Holy Books have had certain texts written in very different eras.

  • http://twitter.com/zzeed Ahmad Zidni Mat

    Wrong: Islam is not the youngest religion. The message of Islam has arrived through so many messengers, first being prophet of Adam, and then Idris…Nuh.. Daud, Musa, and so on. The message is COMPLETED by prophet Muhammad, the last and final prophet, but that does not make it the youngest religion. So Islam is the oldest and in fact the only religion humankind should abide by.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D5QB7DIFED3WON26VEZWU7W4TA Pararae

      agree with all my heart! 

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Orion-Han/100001288381853 Orion Han

      Wrong: How can you say “prophet of Adam” is a Muslim when he performs none of the standard practices of a Muslim. He himself has never acknowledged that he is a Muslim just like he has never professed himself as a Christian or a Jew. You are an example of how Malaysian Muslims are consumed by arrogance than actual Islamic principles believing that you will simply be sent to heaven just because you brag and berate about how great Islam is instead of understanding its core teachings. Ironic considering the message of this article.

      • Anonymous

        It depends of how one understands what and who a muslim is.

        A muslim is one who is in a state of constant remembrance of God, and the life hereafter. Meaning a muslim can be of any religion of God. By this defintion, i would also place Lord Budda as a muslim.

        Muslim is not a title. It is a measure of ones “holiness”. We only have an external view of the holiness of a person. Often times, we can be wrong.

        A muslim does not necesarily embrace Islam. A christian can also be a Christian muslim. We pray to the same God. But of course our religion is different. So religion is not important for God. Religion is for us, and of course we choose the one we like best.

        The greatness of Islam cannot be stated, it can only be lived. Anyone who even try to say how great Islam is fails instantly, and truly does not understand the teachings of Islam.

        Hence anyone who speaks of religion is suspect of some other agenda. Myself included and so i have disqualified myself. MatK0 will be so happy.

        • Anonymous

          The term “Christian muslim” you used is an absurdity at its best. :P

          One is never a muslim when the basic command of God is obliterated in its core belief, “there’s no god but God” and “worship ONLY God”.

          The Arabic term of “ilah” maybe the best description for this, as it means more than just God to be worshiped. If it is just that, the Arabs during Prophet Muhammad pbuh would easily follow him to embrace Islam in droves. But it was not the case, because they understand deeply what that word really means.

          • Anonymous

            MatK0 says …

            “One is never a muslim when the basic command of God is obliterated in
            its core belief, “there’s no god but God” and “worship ONLY God”.

            that is how an Islamic fanatic think, yes. and it explains the title “Malay Muslims and the ‘perfect religion syndrome’

          • Anonymous

            Fanatic, eh? Maybe you should learn to digest what we have been exchanged thus far.

            And my friend, you still did not understand truly the meaning of “Islam”, and how the prophets came to cleanse and purify the faith of men.

            Something “pure” will never tolerate the filthy no matter how small it is, otherwise it becomes impure and dirty all the same.

            Every man who believe in any religion will always have the impression that his is the perfect religion, or otherwise he will look for another. Only those who don’t have the believe will think otherwise… and I should have made my point clear, of which group this writer and his supporters are belong to.

          • Anonymous

            “Every man who believe in any religion will always have the impression
            that his is the perfect religion, or otherwise he will look for another.”

            but that is your assumption. it is faith that matters, not religion.

            When one does not have faith, he leaves his religion, if allowed to. If not, he keeps trying to make it work for him, and when it doesn’t work, he blames everyone else for not believing. And then he tries to make laws so that other believe as he believes, because he thinks surely God cannot be wrong.

            It is usually he himself who misunderstands the religion ( whatever religion ) and insists he is right. He cannot accept that there can be many religions in this world and they all preach good. It is not a matter of right or wrong, it is a matter of good or bad, of suitable or not suitable. There is no wrong religion. Religion is religion.

            So what really matters is faith. For one who has faith, this article don’t matter. You know God wins everytime. There is nothing you need do to “help” or “protect God” or “religion”.

            And you would agree that there should be no compulsion in religion i.e. there should be freedom of religion as a basic human right.

            Perfection is with God.

            There is no such thing as a perfect religion. If there is, we would all have the same religion today, now, this very instant. Surely God of the Universe, of all Laws of all Life and of all Time can do such a thing ? Easy !

          • Anonymous

            So, to you religion is human invention, eh? Just wonder why you say it as a religion of God… yet you follow what YOU think is right, and that makes yourself greater than God.

            You even questioning God’s action. The arrogance of men revealed its ugly face…

            How ironic ;)

          • Anonymous

            “So, to you religion is human invention, eh?  ”

            What makes you think or believe it is invented by God ?

            you think God needs us ? i think it is the other way around. i think it is we who need God.

            and i think you entered religion through the wrong door !

            you can always re-enter. that’s the beauty of the religion of God, Islam. tak ada stress !

          • Anonymous

            ‘Invented by God’? You sound more absurd with each reply. Maybe it’s your vocabulary limit, but your choice of word is ridiculous.

            Digest this: when you buy a new car, it came with its manual. So do you think the buyer is the one that came up with the manual?

          • Anonymous

            Who is talking about a car ? Where did you pick up this car idea ? Are you alright in the head ?

            Can’t you understand we are talking about God and Religion and Line and things like that, you come up with a car ? Hello ?

            Can you stick to the point and deliver your point in simple clear manner ?

            Cars ! ( tepuk dahi ).
            i think i need Al-Kohl (alcohol).

          • Anonymous

            udah

          • Fdvdf

            Shut up dumb dumb.

        • skepticalnotcynical

          BubbaKiKi, a Muslim is an individual who adheres to the Islamic faith based on the Koran. It’s nowhere near what you’ve said. I would like to point out that you are oversimplifying the very definition of ‘Muslim’.

      • Anonymous

        Could you please enlighten us by elaborating on your “standard practices of a Muslim” claim?

        What is your source to claim that “He himself has never acknowledged that he is a Muslim just like he has never professed himself as a Christian or a Jew.”?

        If you can’t show us the above with proof, than the “consumed by arrogance” is best suited to you then.

        • skepticalnotcynical

          Well MatK0, before even trying to argue whether  Adam was a Muslim or not, one should first ask if he even existed. If so, please enlighten me with some concrete scientific evidence because I’m very much interested to find out. By the way, good luck on being the first organism to actually prove this mind-boggling dilemma.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_X4T4ZSK2OJOBIGI7YK4SBW47I4 MorshidiS

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        Prophet Adam

        Dec 6th,
        2007

        by Ahmed.

        When Allah
        had created the heavens and the earth, He said to the angels, “I will create a
        Khalifa on earth, someone to carry out my orders.” They asked Allah, “Will you
        place someone on earth who will make mischief and shed blood, while we praise
        you and glorify your name?” And Allah said, “I know what you know not.”

        The Creation of Prophet Adam

        So Allah
        created Prophet Adam (Alayhis-salam) out of clay, and taught him the
        names of all things. He placed the things before the angels and asked the
        angels to tell Him the names of them, but the angels answered, “You are the
        exalted, and we know nothing except what you have taught us.” Allah then asked
        Adam (Alayhis-salam) the same question, and Adam (Alayhis-salam) was able to
        answer correctly.

        Allah
        ordered the angels to bow down to Prophet Adam (Alayhis-salam) and they
        did so. But Iblis, or Shaitan, did not bow down. When Allah asked, “What kept
        you from bowing down when I commanded you ?” Iblis answered, “I am better than
        he. I was created from fire while he was made from clay.”

        Upon
        hearing this response, Allah threw Shaitan out of paradise, but Shaitan vowed
        that he would lie in wait for Prophet Adam (Alayhis-salam) and his
        descendants, trying to divert them from the Straight Way. To which Allah
        replied, “If any of them follow you, Hell will I fill with you all.”

        Meanwhile,
        Allah had created a wife, Hawa, for Prophet Adam (Alayhis-salam), and he told
        them to live in the garden of paradise, Jannah, but he warned them to stay away
        from one particular tree, lest it bring harm to them. Shaitan started
        whispering suggestions to Prophet Adam and Hawa (Alayhis-salam). He spoke in
        such a clever way that they were convinced he was only concerned for their
        well-being. He told them that the forbidden tree would make them immortal and
        that they would live forever like the angels if they ate from it. Shaitan spoke
        so convincingly that Adam and Hawa (Alayhis-salam) believed him. As soon as
        they tasted the tree, they realized that they were naked, and started trying to
        cover themselves with leaves from the garden, for it now seemed wrong to be uncovered.

        Then
        Allah called to them, “Did I not tell you to stay away from that tree, and
        didn’t I warn you that Shaitan was your sworn enemy?”

        Prophet Adam & Hawa sent to earth

        Prophet
        Adam and Hawa (Alayhis-salam) were immediately full of remorse and begged for
        forgiveness and mercy from Allah. Allah ordered them out of Jannah and sent
        them to live on earth. He said, “Therein shall you live, and therein shall you
        die, but from it you shall be taken out at last.” Prophet Adam (Alayhis-salam)
        and his offspring began to live on earth according to Allah’s command.

        And so we
        are all the descendants of Prophet Adam and Hawa (Alayhis-salam), the first
        humans to be placed on earth. Here on earth we shall all live and die, and from
        here we shall all be made to return to Allah. It is our choice whether we shall
        be taken to Jannah or join the disobedient and deceitful Shaitan in Hell.
        Allah, in His infinite mercy, realizes that we will sometimes be led astray by
        Shaitan. Allah taught Prophet Adam (Alayhis-salam) some prayers for repentance
        and seeking pardon for wrongdoing.

        Prophet Adam (Alayhis-salam) was
        the first prophet to bring Allah’s message to mankind, so that we might know
        how to worship Allah and how to seek forgiveness for our mistakes. This message
        was completed to perfection by Allah
        through his last prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).

         

        The story
        of Prophet Adam (Alayhis-salam) can be found in the Quran, Surah 2, Ayat 30-37
        and Surah 7, Ayat 10-27.

         

        • skepticalnotcynical

          Please be reminded to not use literary examples as proofs for farfetched claims. There are no evidence that supports anything that you have just said-except maybe only about where to find this story in the Koran.

    • skepticalnotcynical

      Ahmad, it’s true that Islam is not the youngest religion, but it’s certainly not the oldest. What I am proposing is based on historical and archeological facts, and is genuinely accepted by professionals and scholars alike. I assume you are a Muslim, because honestly speaking-you are overwhelmingly biased and fallacious. For an example, you are appealing to authority. What I mean is, you are using the Koran as reference(which is not scientifically acceptable). May I remind you that ‘dogma’ is not ‘fact’. You should try to take a more neutral approach in tackling this issue, even if you are trying to defend your religion. First of all, not everyone shares the same beliefs-and assertions like this will only be an insult to their intelligence. Second, beliefs are not knowledge. I seem to notice that many of the comments here are not mature in a scientific sense. Lastly, may I point out that any claims of sorts must be supported by evidence. Why??-Because the burden of proof is on the one who makes these claims. And with all due respect sir, you did not provide compelling evidence to support your claims. Biologically, there is no proof and it’s impossible that humanity started with a single human. As much as I like to provide suitable explanations, the amount of time needed to accomplish that is incredible. Plus, many of these people here are quite largely basing their arguments on personal beliefs, customs and such arguments are not credible, even in court. It’s too overwhelming to reply to all of you, To be honest, I am quite shocked to learn the mentality of Malaysians-bases on my observations here. Anyway, might I remind all the readers of this humble and hopefully neutral post, to not make conclusions based on claims, what someone respected said or even what is written in our holy scriptures-BUT MAKE YOUR ‘OWN’ CONCLUSIONS AFTER EXAMINING HARD EVIDENCE, REASONING WITH RATIONALITY AND LOGIC, AND WITH A WHOLE LOT OF SKEPTICISM.

    • skepticalnotcynical

      Ahmad, it’s true that Islam is not the youngest religion, but it’s
      certainly not the oldest. What I am proposing is based on historical and
      archeological facts, and is genuinely accepted by professionals and
      scholars alike. I assume you are a Muslim, because honestly speaking-you
      are overwhelmingly biased and fallacious. For an example, you are
      appealing to authority. What I mean is, you are using the Koran as
      reference(which is not scientifically acceptable). May I remind you that
      ‘dogma’ is not ‘fact’. You should try to take a more neutral approach
      in tackling this issue, even if you are trying to defend your religion.
      First of all, not everyone shares the same beliefs-and assertions like
      this will only be an insult to their intelligence. Second, beliefs are
      not knowledge. I seem to notice that many of the comments here are not
      mature in a scientific sense. Lastly, may I point out that any claims of
      sorts must be supported by evidence. Why??-Because the burden of proof
      is on the one who makes these claims. And with all due respect sir, you
      did not provide compelling evidence to support your claims.
      Biologically, there is no proof and it’s impossible that humanity
      started with a single human. As much as I like to provide suitable
      explanations, the amount of time needed to accomplish that is
      incredible. Plus, many of these people here are quite largely basing
      their arguments on personal beliefs, customs and such arguments are not
      credible, even in court. It’s too overwhelming to reply to all of you,
      To be honest, I am quite shocked to learn the mentality of
      Malaysians-based on my observations here. Anyway, might I remind all the
      readers of this humble and hopefully neutral post, to not make
      conclusions based on claims, or what someone respected said or even what is
      written in our holy scriptures-BUT MAKE YOUR ‘OWN’ CONCLUSIONS AFTER
      EXAMINING HARD EVIDENCE, REASONING WITH RATIONALITY AND LOGIC, AND WITH A
      WHOLE LOT OF SKEPTICISM.

  • http://norlianakamaruzzaman.blogspot.com/ Nona Muslimah

    Interesting read. I wouldn’t say I agree nor disagree, everyone has a mind of their own to think and inteprete, but are still open in discussion. Good points written.

    In my personal opinion, as a Muslim, of course I believe in my faith being complete. I wanted to trust in Islam because I felt it was not just another idolatry ( I do not worship Mohammed (peace be upon him), for he is the Messenger, not the God, whereas even himself said that he is no different than any other man ( in birth and skills) except that he received the ‘wahyu’).

    If I don’t have faith in this path being complete, I won’t have entered it again. What I don’t believe in being complete is the ulama’ we have now. Not to say they are terrible, they aren’t, but to look at one and said that is true Islam, is, well..warped. Islam is complete( to me that is), but the human mind that could digest the knowledge of this religion themselves are bits and pieces. How can we based the religion on these limited knowledge?

    On whether Islam is the oldest, youngest, for me that’s just in the case of a name. All I understand that for Adam (peace be upon him), he prayed to Allah SWT. For Abraham (peace be upon him), he prayed to Allah SWT. For Muhammad (peace be upon him), he prayed to Allah SWT. Islam,derived from sa-la-ma, means peace.

    And no, while it (supposedly, but now there are Christians-Malay, Hindu-Malay) is thought that Malays, are those born in Malaysia, speaks Malaysian, adhere to the customs of Malay culture, and in the religion of Islam, that does not mean Islam is  depicted only through Malays. Just as in Islam, no difference in an arab with a non-arab, so does this matter: no difference in a Malay or non-Malay in Islam.

    This has gone way too far. “O Men, We created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may KNOW one another.” (Quran 49:13)

    We live in a different culture, like spic, to make life interesting, no to divide among ourselves. Cut this out.

    As for the Malays, there are two perspectives in regard, in which I am neutral about; Most traditional Malays are living in fear of non-existence, as they see that inspite of the country named ‘Malaysia’, the image presented towards the world as if there are no Malays (for example how the movie Zoolander depicted Malaysia). This includes the strife in which the ratio of Malays in success is low (superficially-looking, but fear has a way in warping the sense of ‘sight’). Not to mention, on how good, educated Malays tend to look down or ashamed with their birthrace, in which does who are radical felt it is their ‘duty’ to ‘uphold the last standing pride’ because of those ‘traitors’.

    On the other hand, we also know the plight of Chinese and Indians born in Malaysia, in which they are not granted the same opportunities due to not being born Malays. They adhere to the rules, they are born here too, and despite being a Chinese and Indian, or even any other race for that matter ( Serani, mixed, etc…), they grow and kept a part of the Malaysian culture inside them. So, it hurts to be shunned by the place they are born from.

    Please, it is not matter whether this article is  right or wrong. The author himself admitted as being imperfect. We are imperfect, even in our judgements. But we have a choise, to agree or disagree, to investigate further or to ignore. Choose wisely.

    “Demi pena dan apa yang dinukilkan” ( For the writing, and what is being written).

    “Terdapat dua anggota di badan;kalbu dan lidah. Elok kedua-duanya, maka eloklah seluruh tubuh. Buruk kedua-duanya, maka buruklah kedua-dua tubuh.”

    (There are two parts in the body; the heart(conscience) and the tongue(speech). If both of them are good, then the whole body is good. If both of them are rotten, then the whole body is rotten.)

    For Muslims, what you want to speak out, and how you want to speak out, is up to you. But remember that the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), is soft in his speech, even towards those who point a sword to his face. And this is just an online discussion. Be courteous even those whom you percepted as threatening. If you trust him in being a good example, follow his advises. Don’t throw judgements around easily when Muhammad (peace be upon him) himself do not.

    Assalamualaikum ^_^

  • Anonymous

    @BubbaKiki:disqus wrote:

    “Who is talking about a car ? Where did you pick up this car idea ? Are you alright in the head ?

    Can’t you understand we are talking about God and Religion and Line and things like that, you come up with a car ? Hello ?

    Can you stick to the point and deliver your point in simple clear manner ?

    Cars ! ( tepuk dahi ).
    i think i need Al-Kohl (alcohol).”

    Obviously he failed to digest the point of “car and manual” message and is having severe constipation.

    Oh… he might be drunk too :P

    • Anonymous

      maybe i’m drunk, but i’m not constipating. terkentut sajaha.
      But what really is your point about the car ? that the Quran is the manual and the only correct manual for life ? )

      if you do not make clear your point, i cannot agree/dispute. then there will be peace. this website traffic will subside. the author sad. the webmaster/owners frown. so we should do them a favour by continuing. they must be really enjoying all this.

      i think we, both of us,  should ask for the right to advertise for free here.

      • Anonymous

        You are unable to fathom such a simple comparison? That drinking habit of yours might have destroyed some of your brain cells… and it’s no wonder your argument now is just bumbling, suiting the sound of your nick – bumblingkiki :P

        Once again, fathom this: when you buy a new car, it came with its manual. So do you think the buyer is the one that came up with the manual?

        Islam is the product (compare: car), man is the user (compare: buyer)… Now make a connection in your brain (if you still have any that is not damaged, that is) to our previous exchanges which you said about religion being the invention of men.

        • Anonymous

          most religion leads to God.
          some religion is for the sake of enlightenment and religion, but encourages the asencion to God.

          what makes you think Islam has absolutely monopoly on God ? What makes you think the Quran is the only correct manual ?

          this is what the author meant by “the perfect religion syndrome”, but either you do not accept that or you do not understand it.

          either way it’s your life, what you personally believe is your business.

          but if you insist to the public you are right, then lets examiine the logic. in the logic you presented, man is the user of Islam, which is the manual ( Quran ).

          this logic fails because according to your logic, for those who have no clue about the Quran, then their life is doomed. But reality seems to be that they are the ones who thrive in this world. and so your logic is false.

          but i say the Quran is written by men, and invention of men, but i agree invention is too simple a word, divinely inspired is better. i say so because i consider it a miracle for someone to come up with such a master peice.

          the Quran leads us back to God. and what is important is going back to God.

          but to people like you what is important is the manual or Quran and religion, not the going back to God, not iman. Agama is your pillar, not iman.

          to people like me, i don’t care much about your religion. if you are a good person, your religion must be good i think.

          but if you say you are an Islam muslim and your religion is absolutely right, only Islam followers go to heaven, the rest are kafirs, i do not want to be near you and that be the end of my discussion with you.

          i do not think you can accept what the author is saying, but it is your life and your right to believe as you please.

          if this article makes you then feel insulted, there is a bomb in your head.

          • Anonymous

            Whoa! What an idiosyncratic reply… It’s worst than I thought it was. The ‘al-kohl’ must’ve destroyed big part of your grey matter!

            What makes you think, of what you said I thought of thinking? Earlier, you put words in my mouth, now you put thought in my thinking? You are in serious delusion man…

            You failed to address the argument I put forth, rather creating an imaginary ‘thought’ just so you could reply something.

            Tell me, how do you derived to this ‘logical’ conclusion of yours, “… according to your logic, for those who have no clue about the Quran, then their life is doomed. But reality seems to be that they are the ones who thrive in this world. and so your logic is false.” <– what a tongue twister, putting one argument in two different context.

            You managed to shoot in both direction with this statement of yours, "… the Quran leads us back to God. and what is important is going back to God. but to people like you what is important is the manual or Quran and religion, not the going back to God, not iman." <– creating an imaginary target, just so you could shoot… Oops, it's your own foot!

            No, this article did not insult me at all… but your 'intelligence' does!! :P

          • Anonymous

            you mean you car+manual comparison of Quran + People ( or Life ) is very intelligent ? lol.

            this is a public space. your arguments are read by many, and they can find flaws in your argument easy.

            but neither they or me will tell you what the flaw is. it’s not worth it, since you are very rude. better make you scream :)

          • Anonymous

            Still yapping, eh?

            Intelligent? Did I say it is, or do you think it is? *Gotcha!*

            Intelligence in argument is not the purpose, but the message is. Sadly, yours have neither.

  • Mohd Yaakub

    Yo dear whoever wrote this article, if you can answer this, I’ll be very happy or that guy from Bubblablabla..

    Muslim Malays are suffering from what I term as the “perfect religion syndrome”. This means that Muslims, especially Malays, feel that their religion is the best and that other people of many faiths are “wrong”, always out to convert the Muslims and trying to politically and militarily dominate Muslims, wherever they are.
    “Wrong”? If other religions are “right” then, Islam has no purpose to be “right”. Or do you want to twist another word of yours? If you ask me, I tell you, of course other religion is wrong. Islam is right. >.<". 

    especially Malays, feel that their religion is the best <<

    Of course it is. You dont wear Nike shoes and say Adidas is the best. Oh god, I want to say how stupid you are, but you are way beyond that. 

    always out to convert the Muslims and trying to politically and militarily dominate Muslims, wherever they are.<<< What the fish is this? Muslim Malays always out to convert the Muslims? into what? Muslim malay? Forgive me for being too stupid to understand what are you trying to say, but what the fuck? 

    And one more,
    Of course if I see my non-muslim friend, I try my best to convince Islam is the best, if they (non-muslim) ask me, why Islam is the best religion for me, from your point of view, I should say, OH NO, WE MALAY MUSLIM CANNOT THINK THAT ISLAM IS THE BEST. LATER WE GET THAT SYNDROME OH ERM YOU KNOW WHAT SYNDROME. Are you that plain stupid? Sorry for the rudeness, stupid is stupid. 

    F.y.i, I did not read your full article, would be waste of my time, as I beginning to read the first few, dah macam sampah. Sad. Please, do explain your 5 paragraph. Dont just tell me this is just your two cent whatever it is/freedom of speech. 

    if you can walk the walk, at least talk like a man. not sissy u shitsy.  
     

    • Hamanaka Saera

      I do not know if Malay Muslims really have the “perfect religion syndrome”. But from the many Muslim Malay friends I have, they do not preach about how perfect and right Islam is. They respect non-Muslims and they do not judge them any less than who they are.

      But when the writer of this article said “This means that Muslims, especially Malays, feel that their religion is the best and that other people of many faiths are “wrong”,” the writer perhaps (and I say perhaps because this is my interpretation) did not mean to say other faiths are “right” and Islam is “wrong”. The writer is saying that Muslim Malays should not judge other faiths to be “wrong”. In other words, Malay Muslims should respect other faiths, and should not then condemn others for following other faiths.

      Whether Malay Muslims really do say other faiths are “wrong” is another question, and I don’t know if they do.

      “This means that Muslims, especially Malays, feel that their religion is the best and that other people of many faiths are “wrong”, always out to convert the Muslims and trying to politically and militarily dominate Muslims, wherever they are.”The part where the writer says “always out to convert the Muslims and trying to politically and militarily dominate the Muslims, wherever they are” is referring to other faiths, where they create laws and use military power to control Muslims and inflict fear on them. The writer did not mean Muslims are trying to convert Muslims to Malay Muslims.

      It’s not wrong to say Islam is right, because it is your faith. For a Muslim who loves Islam, the religion will definitely be seen right to him or her. However, it is wrong to impose your views on others. If you have (for example) a Christian friend who strongly believes in Christianity just as how you strongly believe in Islam, it’s your friend’s decision to know more about Islam or to stick with his religion. You can’t decide what he should believe in.

      And often, when people start to impose their religion on others, the result will be disapproval by the others and it can turn ugly. No one likes to be forced to do something.

      If a Christian or a person from another faith decides to read on Islam, then good. If a Muslim decides to read on Christianity or other faiths, then why not. I think it’s up to the person. If a Muslim (I’m not sure if this will happen) calls another Muslim a heretic for trying to understand other faiths, it’s unfair. A Muslim would not convert out of Islam just by reading on other faiths. 

      We need to read, understand and come to terms that we can still live together in this world even with differing opinions. There are times when we have to agree to disagree.

      Judging people less than who they really are for following a different faith is not how we should act. 

      Also, I owned a pair of Nike shoes and a pair of Adidas shoes and I have never thought one of them is the best or better than the other. Just saying.

      And I’m looking at this from a neutral point of view. I don’t know if what the writer says is true. 

      But I will say that I have heard stories from friends of how, not only in Islam, but even in other religions, people have tried to forcefully convert others into their religion. 

      That is absolutely wrong. It’s against a person’s freedom of choice, and it only degrades your religion.

      And I will also say that I have not come across people who try to force me to convert to a religion, and therefore I cannot say if the above events are true.

      All of what I said applies to other religions as well, not only Islam. People (from other countries, perhaps especially Western countries) tend to see Islam as a harmful belief, but it’s really not, and it’s sad.

  • Inocencia Brodt

    There is more than 400 religions on this earth. How can you Islam guaranty that your religion is the truth one? Because the Quran said that? Similar with “because the Bible said that - Christian is the only truth religion”. Enough with stupid pisikology manipulate(hell(treat)/heaven(reward). For me, religion is just kind of evolution dogma. But return back to the “dot” point. Religion still try to create something called delude paradox. Fantasy. Delusion. Enough said, religion is bullshit! Malay just exited + fanaticism with their religion not because the truth of the religion itself. But because they had been brain wash since their child with stupid orthodox dogma. Prejudice and ego. I’m a muslim. But not anymore. After 5 years research about ISLAM and soon on. Now I am atheist.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NEF4AVZWDSFYYYEM6OMSXDZIFU Sitikus

    We humans are doomed by our petty egos and insatiable lust. Mother Earth suffers for our indiscretions and we thought God can save us all? Delusions about salvation from a divine being merely gives us a false sense of hope and security. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but too much faith is equally as dangerous! Radicalism will only help to polarize our world. The perpetuators of all forms violence should remind themselves that we all have just one world to live in and a world large enough to accomodate all of us. Tolerance of divergent views on any issue is without doubt maturity and civility. I think the conflict in religion is rooted in fundamentalism; the disparity and imbalance between faith and fanaticism, between taqwa and taksub. Too much belief with a narrow mindset and a limited perspective contributes to the prejudiced unequal knowledge that lay between freewill and obedience, or absolution. That is why i am agnostic and a free-thinker!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NEF4AVZWDSFYYYEM6OMSXDZIFU Sitikus

    We humans are doomed by our petty egos and insatiable lust. Mother Earth suffers for our indiscretions and we thought God can save us all? Delusions about salvation from a divine being merely gives us a false sense of hope and security. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but too much faith is equally as dangerous! Radicalism will only help to polarize our world. The perpetuators of all forms violence should remind themselves that we all have just one world to live in and a world large enough to accomodate all of us. Tolerance of divergent views on any issue is without doubt maturity and civility. I think the conflict in religion is rooted in fundamentalism; the disparity and imbalance between faith and fanaticism, between taqwa and taksub. Too much belief with a narrow mindset and a limited perspective contributes to the prejudiced unequal knowledge that lay between freewill, obedience and absolution. That is why i am an agnostic and a free-thinker!

  • muhd alwi muhd helmi

    Indeed what you are saying is true to
    certain extend and I do appreciate and share the same concern.

    Islam is the prefect religion and the
    first religion in the world.  it is the
    religion of adam, noah, Abraham, moses and even jesus this. In quran the god
    describe all of the prophet from the time of adam to Muhammad convey the same
    message of islam which is to believe and submit yourself to one god ie to be a
    muslim. foe example moses
    10:84, Abraham , Jacob and Isaac 2:132 and jesus: 3:52. Islam simply means submission to one god and as
    long as you submit to one god, belief that the angels and the prophets were
    merely the servants of god, belief in the message and the holy books presented
    by the prophets to human and belief in the hereafter you are a muslim. That’s why
    in the quran the god said;

    Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed
    unto thee, Muhammad), and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabians -
    whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right – surely their
    reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall
    they grieve. 2:62

    Muslim in not perfect and muslim can
    and will enter heaven as long as their faith to islam is pure and authentic. Their
    faith and adherence to islam that cause them to enter heaven not because they
    are muslim.

    Muslim nowadays including the malay
    muslim had been inflicted with the disease of the jews. Muslim think they are
    superior to other people just because they are muslim so do the jews that claim
    only them will inherit the heaven and other human being are animals. Muslim is
    not superior than the non-muslim because they are muslim but rather their faith
    to islam. A lot of muslim proud being a muslim even though their faith to islam
    is impure ie they still believe other ‘god’ beside the one god eg seeking help
    and put their trust to the dead and supernatural power, talisman, witch craft
    etc.

    In islam the word kafir does not mean
    ‘not-yet muslim’ but rather ‘someone who refuse to believe in one god and have
    enmity to islam’. Therefore non-muslim is describe as ‘musyrik’ ie those who
    worship other than the one god. A lot of muslim will not enter heaven and will
    stay forever in the hellfire. These people are described as hypocrite,
    transgressor and miscreants in the
    quran.

    In general, muslim is great for the islam they
    hold not because they are muslim.

  • tala lala

    Islam : Cristian and All religious completely paradoxical. Too much errors! But let just focus on Islam.

    OK, Lets talk about Noah ark (which had been stole from bible story) anyways… Oh… I said.. Well the story of animal which LIVE FOR many years in the ark? Well, I ask. How about their foods(special diet animal? meat eaters?)? Feces? Disease? Insects? Parasites?

    Ignoring the fact that when the big flood occurs “THAT COVER THE MOUNTAIN OF THE EARTH!!!” should had change the concentration of the salt and the pH of the seawater which should KILL all underwater creatures…

    Ignoring the fact that all plants will die..

    Ignoring the fact that there are thousand of different species of plant and animals across thousands of miles in other continent of the earth!!

    Ignoring the fact that there are NO GEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE!! indicating there was a big flood in the at least more than hundred of thousand years.

    Well I just ask one thing… PLEASE.. DO YOUR RESEARCH!!! CREATIONIST!!!

  • Anonymous

    Wrong: Islam is not a perfect religion and Quran is full of contradictions, this is of course, are relative to the scientific knowledge of modern era. To prove Islam to be the true religion one need to destroy the foundation of science which was based on empirical evidence, not belief/faith.

    Although Islam is a false religion, doesn’t mean that some humans couldn’t use religion as a method to improve their life, religions did contributed a lot to human civilization. Usage of religion in life is quite similar to usage of drug to reduce stress though. Moderate usage of them is good but too much usage of it is bad.

  • izzlud_din

    Dear everyone who comments everything. Please do not argue. Based
    on all above I can answer it even I haven’t finish my degree yet. Base from
    Quran, yes it is true that Allah cursed the Jewish during the time of Jesus
    Christ PBUH because Allah was so angry after they murdered 2 of our prophets
    which were Prophets of Zakaria (Zelkeriah) and his son Yahya (John Baptist)
    PBUT even these two prophets were Jewish. Most of Prophets were Jewish. You see
    compare both history from Christian and Islam, the story began different is the
    time of crucifixion. Based on Christian, Jesus PBUH was arrested and put him on
    the cross and was murdered by the people who hated him in front all the
    witnesses. Then he was buried for 3 days and 3 nights according to the Holy
    Bible. After that he was rose from dead. Based on Islam history Jesus PBUH did
    not die on the cross and the person on the cross was not him. It’s began when
    there was a Jewish start name with “Z” (to tell you the truth I always forget
    his name and I don’t know why), that man successfully caught Jesus PBUH but
    then Allah (a.k.a. in Christian known as the Father of God) save him or was
    rise up to the heaven alive. On that day he was 33 years old and it was on
    Friday. Then Allah changed the man face that caught Jesus PBUH into Jesus’
    face. I know I can’t prove it not even by science. After that, that man name
    start with “Z” he was caught by other Jewish (anti-Christ) then brought him and
    put him on the cross in front all the witnesses. Then all the Jewish
    (anti-Christ) kill him on the cross.

    However to think about it based on both Islam and Christian
    history at the end that man was dead and most Christian believe that Jesus PBUH
    is a Son of God and also a God but logically how can a God die? From my point
    of view a God is impossible to die because God is immortal and impossible to
    die and how come that man die on the cross? This proved that man was a human
    not God, don’t you think it is strange? And whatever exists after the heaven,
    earth and etc it not God because God exist before everything exist that is
    Allah S.W.T. Did you know Yahwe (God from Jewish), the Father of God from
    Christian and the God that Muslims worship to are the same God and He is Allah
    S.W.T. and not many especially Christian don’t know about it.

    One more thing I can prove Jesus PBUH is not a God not even a Son
    of God. Virgin Mary gave birth of Jesus PBUH and she was a human and during
    that time she was 20 years old. As usually she took 9 months of being pregnant
    until that baby ready to be born just like Jesus PBUH in her womb. So my
    question is if Jesus PBUH is truly a God then how come a human like Virgin Mary
    can gave birth on non-human and that is God because no human can give birth of
    non-human. If you ask me about the women who carried the Alien baby from out of
    space in their womb just like in the TV show, that one I don’t know.

    Secondly, we human exist through heir or from human intervention.
    Think again, Virgin Mary gave birth of Jesus PBUH, but who gave birth of Virgin
    Mary? From the Quran it was her parents and were Imran (the father of Virgin Mary)
    and Nur (the mother of Virgin Mary), then who gave birth of that parents? Of
    course lah their parents, and then parents’ parent’s, parents’…… until we reach
    the first ever human of our ancestor which were Adam and Eve (Nabi Adam dan
    Hawa). Compare to Adam PBUH he even better than Jesus PBUH because he did not
    have parents (no mother and father) and he was made from ground or dirt for 40
    years and Allah made him not Jesus PBUH. Some Christian believe Jesus PBUH
    exist before Adam and Eve. From my opinion that is STUPID because some of my
    Christian friends said Jesus is the God who created the heaven, earth, and
    Adam. You see in the Holy Bible there are 4 Gods which are the Father of God,
    the Son of God and the Holy Spirit and they combine all these 3 Gods become one
    and that is the Trinity of God. WAIT. Just now I said there are 4 so who is the
    other one? The answer is Virgin Mary (the Mother of God). Some Christians
    believe she is a God and some of them don’t. Compare all these Gods only one
    God exist first and that is the Father of God a.k.a. Allah S.W.T. in Islam.

    In this blog there are few mistakes.

    1.         There are more than 113,000 messengers,
    313 Nabi and 25 Rasul. Only the 25 Rasul are compulsory to know because we will
    meet them in the time of apocalypse. The different of Nabi and Rasul is, Nabi
    receive messengers from Allah and they distribute all the messengers to
    everyone. Rasul receive messengers from Allah but keeping for themselves
    because Rasul is higher level of Prophet than the Nabi and Messeneger. Jesus
    and Muhammad PBUH are one of the Rasul.

    2.         Yes we believe in Kalimah Shahadah to
    go to the heaven but still it is not necessary to go to heaven because the sin
    we made causing we stuck in hell forever. For example:

    a.         We Muslims cannot believe or pray more
    than one God not even ask the spirit or Jin for help and that’s know as Syirik,
    the biggest mistake of all in Islam. This reason is Allah he will never forgive
    for those who praises beside and even non-Muslims involve with it.

    b.         You may realize some of Muslims
    especially Malays drink alcohol. In Islam it is forbidden. We even cannot touch
    it because we can be condemned to hell forever.

    c.         And many more…..

     

    If you ask me about Hindu and Buddha… I don’t know because I
    never learn these 2 religion.

     

    In Malaysia
    most Malays they have misused the Islam and most of them again don’t have moral
    (akhlak) values. Even I am Malay I also confess Malay are lazy and worse and
    this is race not religion.

     

    If you read carefully the Holy Bible and Al-Quran, the Al-Quran
    is better because the Holy Bible is talking about peace in moral and spiritual
    to get closer to God but in Al-Quran not just talking about peace in moral and
    spiritual to get closer to God, it is also a contain with science that has been
    proven by most scientist around the world. For example the moon is reflected by
    the sun, the earth is round, the earth is rotation from the east to west not
    the sun and the moon is rotation, men are the one who determine the baby in
    women’s womb whether the baby is boy or girl, not the women. There are many
    miracles thing in Al-Quran. Did you know that the Al-Quran also reveal the date
    of WTC from USA
    fall? I can prove it. You open the A-Quran and count how many words in Surah
    At-taubah in Chapter 9 because in that chapter has mention about the sky
    scrapper will fall. I guarantee after you count you will get 2001 words. In
    that chapter is in juzuk 11. Combine it all, chapter “9”, juzuk 11 and 2001
    words will become September 11th 2001. The exactly date the WTC fall
    and it already mention  in Al-Quran since
    more than 1400 years ago.

    • skepticalnotcynical

        First of all, I would like to point out that parthenogenesis does not, has no and will not occur in humans. Please be reminded that our ancestors who lived hundreds of years ago did not have the necessary technology, and thus the necessary knowledge required to make sense of the world as we could now. For example rare natural occurrences might be mistaken for divine miracles.
       
        To my observation, you are taking a skeptic approach peppered with religious claims. It has been proven my friend, that some of the ancient Egyptians believed that the gender of the fetus is determined by the sperm from the father. This predates Islam by approximately 2900 years, and proof of this can be found on the pyramid text of Pharaoh Pepi I Meryre (2332-2283 BC).

        Next, the Koran did not prove the fall of the World Trade Center. It has nothing to do with the 9/11 incident. If you want to prove it, why don’t you post the exact sentence?? Plus, this so called prediction first became popular during 2003  as a ‘hoax’. Note the word ‘hoax’. Check it yourself at any urban legend website. I would also like to point that any perceived data that we can associate with, will superstitiously be believed as to have meaning as we naturally tend to look out for patterns. You might say that it’s not a coincidence, but just be aware that it’s easy to get confused when we are intentionally looking for something. Its human nature, and nothing to be ashamed of.

        Okay, now to tackle the shape of the earth claim. Strictly speaking, the earth is not round as ’round’ is only 2-dimensional. One might say it’s a sphere, but technically it’s not. It’s actually close to a oblate spheroid shape. Nevertheless, that is not the point. My point is, there is no hint of an evidence of any verses in the Koran that states the earth is ‘spherical’ in shape(note I use the word ‘spherical’ for simplicity sake). Actually, there are many verses that points out the earth being flat. For example, the verses  15:19, 20:53, 43:10, 50:7, 51:48, 71:19, 78:6, 79:30, 88:20 and 91:6 clearly states this. I’ll demonstrate one, the verse 20:53, which states-He Who has, made for you the earth like a carpet spread out; has
      enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels); and has sent
      down water from the sky.” With it have We produced diverse pairs of
      plants each separate from the others.

        And for the rotation of the earth, I must say that your definition is quite obscure. Anyway, I noted that you said that earth rotates from east to west-WHICH IS NOT. The earth rotates from west to east, hence the sun rises from the ‘east’.

        Please brother, be more meticulous when commenting on subjects like these. Use more rationality and science, than proposing from personal beliefs which are or may be biased. Do not use scriptures as reference, clearly it’s not factual but written more from a subjective point of view.

       

    • skepticalnotcynical

        First of all, I would like to point out that parthenogenesis does
      not, has not and will not occur in humans. Please be reminded that our
      ancestors who lived hundreds of years ago did not have the necessary
      technology, and thus the necessary knowledge required to make sense of
      the world as we could now. For example rare natural occurrences might be
      mistaken for divine miracles. 
        To my observation, you are
      taking a skeptic approach peppered with religious claims. It has been
      proven my friend, that some of the ancient Egyptians believed that the
      gender of the fetus is determined by the sperm from the father. This
      predates Islam by approximately 2900 years, and proof of this can be
      found on the pyramid text of Pharaoh Pepi I Meryre (2332-2283 BC).

       
        Next, the Koran did not prove the fall of the World Trade Center.
      It has nothing to do with the 9/11 incident. If you want to prove it,
      why don’t you post the exact sentence so that people could actually see for themselves and check it. Plus, this so called prediction
      first became popular during 2003  as a ‘hoax’. Note the word ‘hoax’.
      Check it yourself at any urban legend website. I would also like to
      point out that any perceived data that we humans can associate with, will
      superstitiously be believed as to have some sort of meaning as we naturally tend to
      look out for patterns. You might say that it’s not a coincidence, but
      just be aware that it’s easy to get confused when we are intentionally
      looking for something. Its human nature, and nothing to be ashamed of.

       
        Okay, now to tackle your shape of the earth claim. Strictly
      speaking, the earth is not round as ’round’ is only 2-dimensional. One
      might say it’s a sphere, but technically it’s not. It’s actually close
      to a oblate spheroid shape. Nevertheless, that is not the point. My
      point is, there is no hint of an evidence of any verses in the Koran
      that states the earth is ‘spherical’ in shape(note I use the word
      ‘spherical’ for simplicity sake). Actually, there are many verses that
      points out the earth being flat. For example, the verses  15:19, 20:53,
      43:10, 50:7, 51:48, 71:19, 78:6, 79:30, 88:20 and 91:6 clearly states
      this. I’ll demonstrate one, the verse 20:53, which states-He Who has,
      made for you the earth like a carpet spread out; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels); and has sent down water from the sky.” With it have We produced diverse pairs of plants each separate from the others.

       
        And for the rotation of the earth, I must say that your definition
      is quite obscure. Anyway, I noted that you said that earth rotates from
      east to west-WHICH IS NOT. The earth rotates from west to east, hence
      the sun rises from the ‘east’.

       
        Please brother, be more meticulous when commenting on subjects like
      these. Use more rationality and science, than proposing from personal
      beliefs which are or may be biased. Do not use scriptures as reference,
      clearly it’s not factual but written more from a subjective point of
      view.

  • Hahahahaha

    Stereotyping usually isn’t so bad when they’re done articulately, which is the complete opposite case with you here, sir. You use immature examples and sentences to pretty much say what you feel about the Malays; typical Malaysian( how do you like being stereotyped now?). You’re article is so bad that I couldn’t even finish reading half of it; written like a 5 year old who decided to suddenly pour his/her hearts out on something. Shame on you for even having the guts to think about writing an article especially on something as sensitive as religion and race.

    • is

      Have you read the Holy Bible? I have read and it took me a year to read entirely and I ask my Christian friends to answer my questions in Holy Bible and not many of them couldn’t answer my question. I’m not saying my friends are stupid or what so ever but many thing that in Holy Bible confused the Christian. Even the book publisher in United Kingdom want to BAN the Holy Bible because most contain inside the Holy Bible is ridiculous. I’m not joking

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